tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-304638101758268000.post6278972999969685882..comments2019-02-15T15:09:30.501-05:00Comments on SAVE our Votes: The High Cost of High-Tech VotingR. Wilsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01726485092460342126noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-304638101758268000.post-1588973150124232872011-03-04T14:01:25.532-05:002011-03-04T14:01:25.532-05:00Good question, PA, I have wondered that myself. I ...Good question, PA, I have wondered that myself. I don't know what made Howard County's op-scan costs so high and I have not been able to find anyone who knows the answer to that question. At that time each county negotiated its own contract with voting system vendors, so there was probably a lot of variation in the products and services contracted as well as the prices negotiated.R. Wilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01726485092460342126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-304638101758268000.post-40033725959675066852011-03-04T10:41:55.962-05:002011-03-04T10:41:55.962-05:00Why are Howard County's costs for 2001 and 200...Why are Howard County's costs for 2001 and 2007 so close? All other counties (excepting Caroline County) show a substantial spread for the two years. -PAAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-304638101758268000.post-18513442722098744412011-03-03T10:16:20.920-05:002011-03-03T10:16:20.920-05:00If you want to use the car analogy - OK. But it...If you want to use the car analogy - OK. But it's more like replacing a semi-truck with old brakes.<br /><br />If I buy a semi-truck when I only need a station wagon; and then 10 years down the road I still have payments to make on the semi- but it's costing me too much to keep it going - like 10X as much as the remaining payments, plus it's unreliable, and a really big gas guzzler, and it doesn't really do what I need it to do, then I'd rather put the money I'm paying for upkeep and gas into a new station wagon that is actually more suitable for my needs and is cheaper to run even though I'll have to use about one tenth of my funds to keep paying off the old semi. At least 90% of my money will be going toward a new car and toward saving money rather than watching it go down the drain.<br /><br />Higher tech is ok if it suits the purpose. Sure the touch screen systems passed the function and performance tests great, but they fail on security tests. They do not fulfill the imperative required for assuring that every vote and no extra votes are counted, and that they were counted as they were cast. They are not securable. According to voting experts, the state-of-the-art in electronic voting (and internet voting as well) is unable to fulfill that imperative at this time and it is predicted that it will not be able to do so for at least a decade. An optical scanner voting system with tractable and auditable paper ballots fulfills this need.<br /><br />The debate only smells stale because the facts have been ignored, and buried under dirt and misconceptions. In fact, most Marylanders now understand what is at stake and wonder why this hasn't happened yet and want it to happen - like NOW.NnnNnnNnnNnnNnnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06962586322625817452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-304638101758268000.post-12548616962450912652011-03-03T01:49:47.559-05:002011-03-03T01:49:47.559-05:00Dear Anonymous Commenters,
Thank you for helping ...Dear Anonymous Commenters,<br /><br />Thank you for helping to initiate a discussion here. It would be easier for people to respond to you, and you might find that it would help to keep the discussion more respectful and thoughtful, to use your name, initials, or some type of identifying "handle" so that readers will be able to associate remarks with a specific commenter.<br /><br />"Anonymous 1," I especially appreciate your comments and there is much to respond to in your remarks:<br /><br />1) "those who want to promote thier own good over the common good...hey...isn't that how every Democracy in history has fallen..."<br /><br />I'm not sure I'm quite following you there. Can you cite an example of a democracy that has fallen through citizens advocating for elections that are transparent and recountable? I'm not sure I understand how that is promoting my own good over the common good. Wouldn't everyone benefit from election results that can be independently verified?<br /><br />2) "Technology all around us continues to amaze...why don't we just wait for the "best thing since sliced bread" to come out"<br /><br />Maryland was one of the first states to take the plunge into touch-screen DREs statewide. Study after study has proven this technology to be poorly designed and programmed, and real live election-day disasters have confirmed that this is not just a theoretical problem. In the 10 years that Maryland has been using DREs, several other states and counties have already junked equipment like ours when it caused serious problems that left election outcomes in doubt.<br /><br />Just because a solution is high-tech or new does not necessarily mean it's great -- in fact it's especially important to exercise caution, good judgment, and common sense when it comes to voting, which forms the bedrock on which our democracy is built. The past decade has not brought any advances in election technology that are safer, more reliable, and more economical than optically scanned paper ballots. In fact, the most promising advances have been made in the optical scanning technology itself, and the devices that help voters with disabilities mark paper ballots.<br /><br />3) Congratulations on becoming a taxpayer's nightmare...<br /><br />Deputy Elections Administrator Ross Goldstein acknowledged in a legislative hearing that MD would have spent far less by this point if we had originally chosen optical scan as our statewide voting system instead of DREs. We are now over a barrel with equipment that has reached the end of its life span but is not yet paid for and is costing us a small fortune to maintain and operate. The federal dollars that have helped alleviate the costs to counties are now all spent. I don't know about you, but to me that sounds like a "taxpayer's nightmare."<br /><br />Let's use your car analogy. Suppose you have a huge gas-guzzler that's getting old and starting to need a lot of repairs but you haven't finished paying for it yet. You need to be able count on it at times when you're going to drive it really hard because you have no back-up if it fails. The car has no resale value because it's been proven unsafe to drive. You can't really afford to keep the car on the road because of the cost of gas as well as the maintenance and repairs. Wouldn't you be better off looking for a new car that was more reliable and less expensive to buy and to drive? Even if the cost was the same while paying off the rest of your old car, you'd be investing the money in a car that would very quickly pay for itself in savings instead of continuing to throw good money after bad to keep your old car on the road.<br /><br />Again, thanks for your comments.R. Wilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01726485092460342126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-304638101758268000.post-79838866126107264952011-03-03T00:05:59.316-05:002011-03-03T00:05:59.316-05:00The first comment on this blog was obviously writt...The first comment on this blog was obviously written either by someone at the Maryland State Board of Elections staff or one of their lackeys at a county board. That's ok: they have a right to continue their nearly ten-year record of being wrong.<br /><br />The fact is, almost every expert who knows anything about elections and computers believes that a paperless system can never be trustworthy and therefor can never be superior to one based on voter-marked, voter-verified paper ballots. So it would be wise to get rid of Maryland's paperless system *regardless* of cost considerations. But it turns out that there would be a financial bonus to moving to a ballot-based system, in addition to the clear operational advantages of being able to audit and recount paper ballots independent of computers.<br /><br />Maryland's General Assembly understood that when both houses unanimously voted to replace the paperless machines with paper ballots marked and verified by each voter and counted by optical scanners. We should--and would--have been voting on the "op-scan" system last year, except that the Governor and key legislators were given phony "comparative cost data" which purported to show that it would be too expensive to make the change. The fact is that making the switch to a paper ballot-based system would save the taxpayers millions of dollars over the next decade.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-304638101758268000.post-10296654486219772882011-03-02T17:04:43.176-05:002011-03-02T17:04:43.176-05:00Can you supply any evidence of kickbacks?Can you supply any evidence of kickbacks?R. Wilsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01726485092460342126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-304638101758268000.post-373473890970009032011-03-02T14:52:47.231-05:002011-03-02T14:52:47.231-05:00The intention behind this legislation was not to s...The intention behind this legislation was not to save money. It was to keep the kickbacks flowing to Linda Lamone and her cronies.Heidi Johnsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-304638101758268000.post-8084922995912462322011-03-02T11:52:59.996-05:002011-03-02T11:52:59.996-05:00It seems that facts and opinions are particularly ...It seems that facts and opinions are particularly blurred here...if you have a car, and you buy another car, and the first one is not paid off, you are now paying for two cars...no matter how you cut it.<br />When you buy the new car, you are still going to have service payments to make...of course, in this case, since we would be going backward in technology, we are buying a used car, which makes the payments greater.<br />Technology all around us continues to amaze...why don't we just wait for the "best thing since sliced bread" to come out, and stop trying to waste taxpayer money. This debate is stale, and at this point, I would assume moot, because if you had any traction we wouldn't be having this conversation.<br />Watching this from afar over the past several years has seen your organization go from trying to bash the system, to trying to bash the people that run it, to now trying to focus on the fiscal issues, because that is all that you have left.<br />Congratulations on becoming a taxpayer's nightmare...those who want to promote thier own good over the common good...hey...isn't that how every Democracy in history has fallen...<br />And speaking of history, this country was founded and fought on through the Revolutionary War, right? The principle behind it was "taxation without representation". Along with many other issues, this falls in this horrible afterthought of how our government is run nowadays. As people grow increasingly angry about legislators spending our taxpayer dollars needlessly, you continue to cry foul and want them to promote your cause over the common good, which amounts to spending more money, a classic case of taxation without representation. My club seems to have many more members, we are called SOCS...Save Our Common Sense.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com